Travelling a day before my Schengen visa starts
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My family and I are planning to travel from Dover (UK) to France, then to the Netherlands by car. Because 3 of us (out of 6 persons) don’t hold British citizenship, we applied for a Schengen visa. Luckily we have our Schengen visas now, but the problem is that we want to go a day before the Schengen visa starts. Do you think this will cause a problem?
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My family and I are planning to travel from Dover (UK) to France, then to the Netherlands by car. Because 3 of us (out of 6 persons) don’t hold British citizenship, we applied for a Schengen visa. Luckily we have our Schengen visas now, but the problem is that we want to go a day before the Schengen visa starts. Do you think this will cause a problem?
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My family and I are planning to travel from Dover (UK) to France, then to the Netherlands by car. Because 3 of us (out of 6 persons) don’t hold British citizenship, we applied for a Schengen visa. Luckily we have our Schengen visas now, but the problem is that we want to go a day before the Schengen visa starts. Do you think this will cause a problem?
visas schengen
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dda
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My family and I are planning to travel from Dover (UK) to France, then to the Netherlands by car. Because 3 of us (out of 6 persons) don’t hold British citizenship, we applied for a Schengen visa. Luckily we have our Schengen visas now, but the problem is that we want to go a day before the Schengen visa starts. Do you think this will cause a problem?
visas schengen
edited Jun 9 at 3:51
dda
13.9k32749
asked Jun 8 at 18:25
Zuhal Aylan
61
edited Jun 9 at 3:51
dda
13.9k32749
edited Jun 9 at 3:51
dda
13.9k32749
edited Jun 9 at 3:51
dda
13.9k32749
13.9k32749
asked Jun 8 at 18:25
Zuhal Aylan
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asked Jun 8 at 18:25
Zuhal Aylan
61
asked Jun 8 at 18:25
Zuhal Aylan
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61
9
Yes............
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Jun 8 at 18:28
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You will not be able to enter the Schengen area before midnight (at the beginning) of the date of validity, because your visa will not be valid.
If you want to begin your trip the day before, you should be able to change your plans to take an overnight ferry direct to the Netherlands.
You should also be able to take a ferry from another port to France before midnight that arrives in France after midnight. Because of the time difference, for example, a 90-minute journey starting at 21:35 arrives the next morning at 00:05.
However, this probably won't work from Dover because of the juxtaposed immigration controls. In Dover, you will encounter French immigration before you leave, so you will probably not be allowed to proceed until after midnight.
None of the above applies if the family members holding the visas qualify for freedom of movement under directive 2004/38/EC based on their relationship with one of the British citizen travelers. In that case, they should be allowed in regardless of not having a visa (under the directive, a visa should be issued on the spot by the border officer, but in practice it seems that this does not happen, and it is even more unlikely when the traveler has a visa that will become valid the next day).
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
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@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
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@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
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@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
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Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
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You will not be able to enter the Schengen area before midnight (at the beginning) of the date of validity, because your visa will not be valid.
If you want to begin your trip the day before, you should be able to change your plans to take an overnight ferry direct to the Netherlands.
You should also be able to take a ferry from another port to France before midnight that arrives in France after midnight. Because of the time difference, for example, a 90-minute journey starting at 21:35 arrives the next morning at 00:05.
However, this probably won't work from Dover because of the juxtaposed immigration controls. In Dover, you will encounter French immigration before you leave, so you will probably not be allowed to proceed until after midnight.
None of the above applies if the family members holding the visas qualify for freedom of movement under directive 2004/38/EC based on their relationship with one of the British citizen travelers. In that case, they should be allowed in regardless of not having a visa (under the directive, a visa should be issued on the spot by the border officer, but in practice it seems that this does not happen, and it is even more unlikely when the traveler has a visa that will become valid the next day).
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
phoog
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@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
1
@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
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You will not be able to enter the Schengen area before midnight (at the beginning) of the date of validity, because your visa will not be valid.
If you want to begin your trip the day before, you should be able to change your plans to take an overnight ferry direct to the Netherlands.
You should also be able to take a ferry from another port to France before midnight that arrives in France after midnight. Because of the time difference, for example, a 90-minute journey starting at 21:35 arrives the next morning at 00:05.
However, this probably won't work from Dover because of the juxtaposed immigration controls. In Dover, you will encounter French immigration before you leave, so you will probably not be allowed to proceed until after midnight.
None of the above applies if the family members holding the visas qualify for freedom of movement under directive 2004/38/EC based on their relationship with one of the British citizen travelers. In that case, they should be allowed in regardless of not having a visa (under the directive, a visa should be issued on the spot by the border officer, but in practice it seems that this does not happen, and it is even more unlikely when the traveler has a visa that will become valid the next day).
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
phoog
60.6k9131189
1
@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
1
@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
You will not be able to enter the Schengen area before midnight (at the beginning) of the date of validity, because your visa will not be valid.
If you want to begin your trip the day before, you should be able to change your plans to take an overnight ferry direct to the Netherlands.
You should also be able to take a ferry from another port to France before midnight that arrives in France after midnight. Because of the time difference, for example, a 90-minute journey starting at 21:35 arrives the next morning at 00:05.
However, this probably won't work from Dover because of the juxtaposed immigration controls. In Dover, you will encounter French immigration before you leave, so you will probably not be allowed to proceed until after midnight.
None of the above applies if the family members holding the visas qualify for freedom of movement under directive 2004/38/EC based on their relationship with one of the British citizen travelers. In that case, they should be allowed in regardless of not having a visa (under the directive, a visa should be issued on the spot by the border officer, but in practice it seems that this does not happen, and it is even more unlikely when the traveler has a visa that will become valid the next day).
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
phoog
60.6k9131189
You will not be able to enter the Schengen area before midnight (at the beginning) of the date of validity, because your visa will not be valid.
If you want to begin your trip the day before, you should be able to change your plans to take an overnight ferry direct to the Netherlands.
You should also be able to take a ferry from another port to France before midnight that arrives in France after midnight. Because of the time difference, for example, a 90-minute journey starting at 21:35 arrives the next morning at 00:05.
However, this probably won't work from Dover because of the juxtaposed immigration controls. In Dover, you will encounter French immigration before you leave, so you will probably not be allowed to proceed until after midnight.
None of the above applies if the family members holding the visas qualify for freedom of movement under directive 2004/38/EC based on their relationship with one of the British citizen travelers. In that case, they should be allowed in regardless of not having a visa (under the directive, a visa should be issued on the spot by the border officer, but in practice it seems that this does not happen, and it is even more unlikely when the traveler has a visa that will become valid the next day).
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
phoog
60.6k9131189
edited Jun 8 at 19:40
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
phoog
60.6k9131189
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
phoog
60.6k9131189
answered Jun 8 at 19:31
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@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
1
@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
add a comment |Â
1
@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
1
@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
1
1
@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton Several posters, including me, have asked a similar question with flights, and airlines appear to judge whether to board you, for visa purposes, by arrival time. My guess is an arrival of 00:05 has been chosen on purpose to facilitate this.
– Andrew Lazarus
Jun 8 at 19:37
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
@ZachLipton you're right. I'll edit.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:38
1
1
@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
@AndrewLazarus in those cases, however, the passengers are not precleared. The airline boards them because they will be encountering the immigration check after midnight.
– phoog
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
1
@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
@AndrewLazarus Yes, but this isn't the ferry company choosing whether to board you; it's French immigration, which you're seeing before midnight. I don't know; they might possibly accept it (sometimes people have enough trouble convincing French immigration to stamp non-EU passports, so you never know what you're going to get), but I'd personally wait until after midnight unless I had official word it was ok.
– Zach Lipton
Jun 8 at 19:39
1
1
Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
Maybe easiest to get a hotel in Dover and get on the very earliest ferry. Anyway, I think they have tickets that let you board at any time, so if that works, you can arrive at 21:35 and either go or wait if they don't let you in.
– gnasher729
Jun 8 at 21:27
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