Pre-electrical fast long-distance communication

Pre-electrical fast long-distance communication



It takes a lot of work, but it can be done. The Mongol Yam, a horse-based mail system, is probably the best example that has been done before. But after visiting the local science museum recently, I saw these.



Acoustic Mirrors, you speak in front of one, and a person at the other one, some distance off, can hear what you say. In between them, you cannot hear anything from them.



I was wondering if a system of these could be set up, to have rapid transportation of information from one point of a kingdom to another, especially when I don't have horses.



If possible, what's their max range? How would weather affect them?





You might be interested in a similar system that was used successfully before the invention of the electrical telegraph, the semaphore line.
– Mike Nichols
14 hours ago






Are you asking about how to achieve fast long-distance communication of any kind in a world where people have not (yet) harnessed electricity, or are you asking specifically about acoustic mirrors? If the former, what properties are you after? For example, do you require that the message cannot be overheard (or whichever other term applies) by people along the route?
– Michael Kjörling
14 hours ago





Yes to the first one, the max range is what I'm interested in, and it's a fact that you cannot hear anything between them.
– GoingFTL
14 hours ago





@GoingFTL So you should rephrase your question: was that possible in medieval age? (technology level, cost-effectiveness...)
– Kepotx
14 hours ago






Another optical means, similar to the semaphore line, is the heliograph. You might particularly be interested in the property that the heliograph flashes can only be seen on relatively close to the line between sender and target. (Though they could still be intercepted, so secret codes were quite valuable.)
– Cadence
14 hours ago




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Your major problem is wind.
Sound travels through the air, when the air is moving the velocity of the sound and the velocity of the air sum to get a new net velocity relative to the ground. This is a problem if your just shouting across a large field but is much more of a problem in your system, especially in crosswind.



In order for your system to work sound from one dish must hit the other but wind will likely blow that sound off course. In order to ensure you have some sound hitting the other dish you may need a dish whose length in ratio to the length of the distance across which the message is being sent is greater than the ratio of the wind speed to the speed of sound.



Doing some back of the envelope maths and using 8m/s as a good wind speed then we find that your dish length needs to be 2.3% the length of your route AT least. The longer the better if you want a strong signal in high wind. This means for a five mile route you have a dish about two hundred metres across this is hard but not impossible. Even then however a strong breeze is all it takes to render your relay system useless.



You might be able to solve this by moving your sound source or acoustic mirror, but that requires the sort of quick, reliable precision you get with lasers that would make for much more reliable communications technology.



You could put everything in a tunnel, but those sorts of tunnel systems would be incredibly hard to maintain. A more reliable system might be using acoustic mirrors as telescopes to listen in on extremely loud sounds, such as gongs, bells, organs or large firecrackers, similar to acoustic aircraft detection.



I am aware that this question asks about acoustic mirrrors, but there is a far better alternative. Normal mirrors! you can make aqueduct style stone tubes that are a few centimeters wide, bury them between points,using mirrors to turn, and then flashing a light from a lantern down the tube will cause the light to be reflected off of the mirrors all the way to the other end. Use a Morris code like system , and you have a light based telegram system





You'll have trouble keeping your tubes straight (and keeping them from shifting over time), as well as with the fact that lantern light (or sunlight) will not be perfectly collimated like a modern laser beam, and so will disperse pretty rapidly unless you somehow e.g. silver the whole inside of the tubes, turning them into some kind of medieval optical fibers. But that's a pretty challenging thing to create and maintain. Also, depending on the tech level involved, ancient mirrors were a lot poorer than what we have today.
– Ilmari Karonen
10 hours ago





[...] It would be much easier to dispense with the tubes and just have an open-air heliograph system. At night, you could still use an artificial light source, although it would have to be a pretty bright one unless you had a lot of relay stations close together (but then, the same is true of your tube system). It would be less effective in heavy rain or snow, but potentially still usable if the lights were bright enough. And of course you'd better encrypt any sensitive messages, because eavesdropping would be pretty easy.
– Ilmari Karonen
10 hours ago



Such a system, assuming it was feasible (which isn't) would not be practical, let me explain you why.



First, the principle behind it is to have the speaker and the listener being positioned at the focal points of an ellipse, similar to the whispering gallery.



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The properties of the ellipse make it that the acoustic waves emitted in one focal point will converge into the other. But this mean that, once you have built your elliptical mirrors, you are bound to a fixed distance. Not one meter more, not one meter less.



But first you need to be able to build two elliptical surfaces with narrow enough tolerances that the waves are properly focused, which is rather challenging.



You can bypass the problem by building two parabolic surfaces (you just need to be able to spin a liquid fast enough while it becomes solid), but that would be less efficient, as you would lose part of your signal.



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But at this point you would need an extremely precise alignment to be able to capture the acoustic waves. In practical this could be, at best, a though task, since you have to compensate for the motion of the air in between the two surfaces. Any shear in the wind flow will surely destroy the synchronization between the various paths, destroying the communication channel.





And it won't work at all on windy days. Wind carries the sound beam away, so it won't hit the receiving mirror.
– AlexP
11 hours ago



Bull's Eye Lighthouses



Lighthouses have been in use since Antiquity.



The idea is relatively simple:



On top of that, we apply the Bull's Eye Lantern principle: the light source is encased in an opaque (reflecting) material which only lets the light out in a particular direction, somewhat focusing the beam.



And then we put a movable panel in front of the light exit, allowing the operator to modulate the output.



That's it. Make a network of such lighthouses across the countryside, teach morse code to the operators, and you have messages propagating at the speed of light (minus delays incurred at each hop).



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